What do people on here think about things like homeopathic medicine and Bach flower remedies?
I personally have doubts and I wonder whether alot of the results are based on placebo effects ie. if you believe it will work it does. But I could be wrong?
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September 8th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
i think it could work. the only way to really know is to try, and a lot of really common and modern medicine originated from nature. like medicinal pot. :]
September 8th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
This will get TDs from the naive brigade but funny how they wont do the research first
Homeopathy – how could any honest person sell this rubbish?
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/homeopathy2.htm
September 8th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
I’m not convinced – I feel that those who do report positive results are kind of experiencing the placebo effect – you think it will work so you automatically begin to feel better.
However I myself found that homeopathic remedies have sometimes helped – I suffer from travel sickness and found that Nux Vomica can help – I remember offering one to a very seasick/hungover young student on a ferry in Greece and within 5 minutes of taking it she was feeling much better!!! So not sure if there is anything in it or not.
September 8th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
In the 18th century, physicians abandoned using herbal remedies and took to the scientific notion of balancing the humours. Their remedies were purging, bleeding, leeches and cupping. Surgeons were a different profession they weren’t happy that they had taken the trouble to save their patients’ lives just for a physician to kill him with his quack remedies. So surgeons developed homoeopathy, a system of medicine based upon using small quantities of a natural reagent to reinforce the body’s immune system.
The two branches of medicine continued on this basis for around 100 years with each accusing the other of quackery. The Faculty of Homoeopathy and the Royal London Homoeopathic Hospital developed the double-blind system of testing the efficacy of remedies now used by modern drug companies.
It wasn’t until the development of patent medicines in the last 19th century, and the recruitment of physicians to shift the merchandise, that bleeding, cupping, leeches and – to a certain extent – homoeopathy went out of fashion.
The biggest problem faced by homoeopathy today is that in many parts of the world it is not regulated. It continues to be successful in France where only doctors are permitted to prescribe remedies and in the Homoeopathic hospitals in the UK where it is practised by qualified doctors. Despite objections from physicians, it is popular for post operative care.
The usual argument against homoeopathy is dilution and physicians love to drag up some 1960s chemistry lessons and dear old Avagadro. I can’t say for certain whether homoeopathy is valid, but this argument certainly is not. The computer you are reading this on wouldn’t work if it was. Quantum theory offers an excellent explanation. Unfortunately most physicians haven’t studied physics past GCSE.
My own brush with homoeopathy was after medical incompetence had put me in a wheelchair. The care I received at the Royal London Homoeopathic hospital got me walking again. I don’t think a placebo would have done the job. I don’t know how effective the remedies were, but the overall level of care was excellent and I actually came out of hospital better than when I went in.
September 8th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
I think your assessment is spot on. Placebo and self-deception combined with self-limiting illness
September 8th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Both are a total scam. You won’t get either from your doctor and they don’t use it in hospitals for a very good reason, wanna guess?
Edit: Homeopathy has NEVER cured babies or animals of anything, ever. Here’s a hint: Placebo by Proxy exists!
http://www.skeptics.org.uk/article.php?dir=articles&article=it_works_in_animals.php
The royal family example is the standard “Appeal to Authority Fallacy”: Someone important uses it so therefore it must work. When in reality the person using a treatment has no bearing on whether a treatment works or not. Such naive mistakes are symptomatic of the delusions alties labour under.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:14 am
homeopathic remedies have cured babies and animals, so where is the placebo effect here? The British Royal family had and may still have a homeopathic physician to minister to them. Correction is in order here. Homeopathy was not started by surgeons but by a Dr. Samuel Hanneman in Germany.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:25 am
You are quite right, neither have been shown to have any effects above and beyond that of a placebo.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:25 am
So how do you define the placebo effect?
The body healing itself ??
Wow that is worth looking into– maybe it doesn’t need all the chemicals that conventional medicine offers ?
Not to mention the chemicals they offer to deal with the side effects of the chemicals we took in the first place?
Maybe there is another way?
Maybe we should be looking at alternatives?